we are saying-- >>> no massive defense increase. >> you want to get into defense now. >> martha: i do. that's another math question. how do you do that? >> they propose a $4 sfail 78 billion cut to defense, to begin with. now we have another $500 billion cut to defense, lurking on the horr whereon. they insisted that in the debt negotiation it's. >> martha: let's -- let's put the automatic defense cuts aside. let's put this aside. no one wants that. but i want to know, how do you do the math and have this increase in dftion spending. >> $2 trillion. >> you don't cut defense by $twenty1 trillion. >> martha: what national security issues justify an increase. >> we are going to cut 80,000 soldier, 20,000 marines, 1 tent cargo planes. we are going-- >>> draw down from one war and one war -- >> if the cuts go through, the navy will be the smallest it has been since before world world w. this invites weakness. look, do we believe in peace through strength? you bet we do. that means don't impose the devastating cuts on the military. we are saying don't cut the military by $twenty1 trillion.